Mind Over Matters, NASA and DMT:
An Interview with Jay Weidner.
Network X: Why did you start the radio show Mind Over
Jay Weidner: When I was young I dreamed of being an investigative
journalist, like Woodward and Bernstein. From a very
young age I have always been interested in finding out
happening behind the scenes. This was true both in a
political sense and also in a metaphysical sense. So
I structured the
program to reflect these diverse interests. On Saturdays
I would broadcast interviews and shows concerned with
what Peter Dale Scott would call 'Deep Politics'. This
people like Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti, David Barsamian
and others. On Sundays I would concentrate on the mysteries
of the esoteric. This would include people like Terence
McKenna, Joseph Campbell, Alan Watts etc. The show was
of people who challenged the established view on worldly
matters. It was also about how we can take control of
these situations if we so desire. Hence the title 'Mind
I'm proud to say that the show is still on the air in
Network X: You presented a daring program. Most of us
had never heard of many of the topics that you presented.
Jay Weidner: That's true. MOM (Mind Over Matters) was
the first program of any kind that began talking about
Trade Commission and the Free Trade acts that were being
tossed around and finally, later, made into law. Every
week I pounded away at the illegitimacy of these new
how they would lead to a New World Order. I was called
a kook by a local newspaper and several groups attempted
have me thrown off the air, which they eventually succeeded
in doing. I am proud to have done my share to provoke
some discussion on these dangerous and powerful men that
to guide our future. This is not to say that I am against
a world government. I think some form of elderly and
wise advice from a world commission is a great idea.
hermeticist Schwaller de Lubicz once advocated this type
of world government. But instead of this we have a group
of corporate bandits in charge now. And they don't give
a damn about us. Mind Over Matters was a great show and
experience. I met many wonderful people and it hopefully
changed the way that the listener viewed their world.
Network X: You got into a lot of trouble over some of
the shows you presented.
I did. After I went on the air an entire spectrum of
odd events began occuring to me. I didn't realize how
I had pushed. I think the one program that got me in
the most trouble was when we went out in search of
VOTESCAM. I tried to get the software code that they
used to program
the local Seattle election machines. I was told by
that owns the software that getting a copy of the code
would not be possible. I then discovered that the entire
process was presided over by the same private corporation
that controlled the software code. As the 1994 election
approached I began to become more active in watching
the vote and how
it was tallied. My life was threatened a number of
times during this period. I had University of Washington
students ready to watch the polling areas for suspicious
activity. For instance I wanted to know exactly how
'exit polling' was accomplished. When considered it
make any sense. In 1992 we had watched the election
on TV and
we noticed that the exit polls, which were released
a little after the polls closed at 8pm, were almost
The exit polls had Clinton beating Bush (senior) in
the same exact percentages as the actual ballot. Now
do this? Presumably an exit poller would have to have
some kind of scientific method to have their figures
so close to the real figures. Did they get the right
number of blacks, Jews, Catholics, Irish, and Latinos?
How did they
do it? That became the question as we approached the
1994 election. I went on the radio and asked for people
up if they had ever been exit polled as they left the
booth. Hardly anyone had ever been polled. I know I
So we vowed to report exactly what might happen on
election night. As this thing heated up, the pressure
on me increased.
The threats on my life also increased. I was getting
weird phone calls in the middle of the night from people
breathed into the other end of the line. My manager
at the radio station had quit because of illness and
did not like me at all. I knew my days on the air were
numbered. I was fired in August 1994 and never had
the chance to report
what happened on the election night of November of
that same year. What did happen is even more interesting.
For the first
time in memory there were no exit polls done on that
election is Seattle. They waited until about 10PM to
call the elections.
Network X: Tell us about Mae Brussel.
Jay Weidner: Mae was really my main inspiration for the
political side of the show. There will never again
be a researcher
like her. I remember I first heard her in 1984 while
driving through Carmel, California. I had the radio
on in my car
and I came upon one of her live programs. I had to
pull the car over to the side of the highway just to listen
It was absolutely amazing. She was connecting all of
the men who would later be involved in the Iran/Contra
to an entire series of other political shenanigans.
and games' as they are called by the agencies. In a
manner that overwhelmed me, I listened to Mae link obscure
figures with great events. She was audacious, mind
blowing and reality expanding. I shuddered for a good ten
after hearing that show. I vowed I would find out all
about this woman. So I ordered a bag full of her audiotapes
began to listen to them, take notes and see if she
was right. I have to say that, in the end, Mae was right
far more than
she was wrong. She gets more right actually as time
on. There are a couple of people like Dave Emory and
John Judge who carry on her work but for the most part
is no one who is doing today what Mae was doing in
and 80's. She died in 1986 and that was the end of
a great era in radio broadcasting. I tried to carry her
with Mind Over Matters but the pressures were enormous.
taken to task repeatedly by the managers of the station,
and by others. I was worried for my life in fact. Strange
men were parked in cars in front of my house. It was
utterly unnerving how much commotion began when I started
show. Within six months of going on the air the radio
was consumed by an internal strike. The volunteers
like the way the station was headed and they walked
out in protest. They wanted me to follow but that would
abandoning Mind Over Matters. Besides I never understood
what they were striking against. So I chose to stay
with it. I have often wondered since then if that strike
a COINTELPRO operation. I had known for a long time
that the agencies had infiltrated various left wing, and
wing, political organizations. It didn't seem like
a great leap to suppose that the same infiltrated political
had suddenly decided that the station wasn't following
the 'politically correct' path and so they created
actually, in the end, got me fired and caused the complete
ruin of the radio station, which up until that time
had been one of the most radical and adventurous radio
the entire country. The caveat to this story is that
the day after I was fired this group of 'strikers'
the strike for no apparent reason. Almost two years
of their fierce struggle against the station virtually
overnight. It is only now that I am realizing that
it was not the station manager that they were protesting
- it was Mind Over Matters and me that was worrying
The show has now floundered into a left wing politically
correct presentation. Not nearly as interesting as
what was going on before.. Mind Over Matters, when
I was the
and the Host, attempted to raise the intellectual level
up a notch, moving from a few common political causes
that there is a plan to create a world government ruled
by corporations. If we are to have world government
should also have a say in it. But we don't. We don't
even know the names of the men and women on the committees
are on the World Trade Commission. It isn't even a
form of representational democracy. We have to ask
question: why do they keep everything so secret? If
the conspiracy theorists are so wrong than why doesn't
tell us the truth. Why hold the JFK stuff until the
middle of the 21st century? Why hide what happened
with the cocaine
trade in the 1980's? Why hide the real reasons behind
the Gulf War? When they quit hiding everything the
theorists will go away.
Network X: So now that you are away from the rigors of
doing a six-hour radio show, what are doing?
Jay Weidner: While I love radio, my real interest is
alchemy. I know that sounds odd but I have always been
in alchemy and in particular and alchemist named Fulcanelli.
Politics is a just a side show to what is really happening
in the world. Alchemy has opened me up to the perception
that this world is really just a gigantic shell game.
But there is a mystery underneath it all. I think that
and Peter Dale Scott and Noam Chomsky all have a small
piece of this greater mystery. Alchemy is one of the
I am attempting to uncover this mystery. So right now
I am writing a book about a cross in the south of France.
project is daunting in scope as it will attempt to follow
this mystery all the way back to Egypt and maybe even
Peru. I need a lot of help, both financially and in doing
Network X: Can you tell us more about this?
Jay Weidner: Not really. I have received some financial
backing for this vein of research and it promises to
very exciting and profound. It is really about the secret
of time, also of history and who we really are as a race.
This cross is the most important monument in the world
so I have to be careful about what I say. I mean I have
had a concerted COINTELPRO operation directed at me because
of what we reported on Mind Over Matters - I don't need
another one. Therefore, until I release the findings
the future I am staying quiet about this one.
Network X: Aren't you making a documentary also?
Jay Weidner: Yes. Besides radio and alchemy I really
like making films. I made a feature film in 1980 and
the desire to get back to directing again. Right now
I am in the middle of making a film about NASA. This
is a story
that just gets weirder and weirder. When I started out
last year writing and researching the script, I believed
NASA was a government agency that actually had done something
useful with our tax money. But the more I examined the
evidence they presented me the more damning it all became.
I am starting pre production, I am completely rethinking
Network X: This film was originally concerned with the
Jay Weidner: That was the initial reason for producing
the film. I had this grandiose idea that I would get
a lot of
great film from NASA and use it as filler over interviews
with the astronauts. But getting the sixteen-millimeter
film of the Apollo missions from NASA has proven to be
difficult. In 2 years I have only received one reel and
this is of Apollo 10, which didn't even land on the moon.
in that reel there is enough high weirdness to make anyone
sit up and notice. And none of the astronauts will do
an interview. Isn't that strange?
Network X: Are you saying that they didn't go to the
Jay Weidner: No, not that. I am saying that something
else, far weirder is happening. NASA has discovered artifacts
on the moon and on Mars. I don't think they know how
to tell us that there is stuff all over the place. There's
up north of here in Bellingham that has taken NASA Apollo
photographs of one of the low fly by of the moon. He
has blown them up into huge prints. An examination of
reveals all sorts of odd objects and fractal patterns
all over the surface of the moon. All I can definitely
that there are some very artificial things up on the
moon and on Mars. And NASA really doesn't know how to
They aren't covering it up so much as they don't know
how to say it. Did you ever see Kubrick's 2001? There's
in there where NASA decides to hide the discovery of
the monolith from the rest of humanity. Kubrick was telling
with that movie and know one seems to get it. I think
Kubrick knew a lot more than he was saying.
Network X: When is your film going to be finished?
Jay Weidner: I don't know. I have lost control of the
subject matter. Everything I find concerning NASA is
so weird that
the film would have to be five hours long now to make
any sense. We will see.
Network X: What is you association with Richard Hoagland?
Jay Weidner: We have an off again, on again, kind of
thing happening. Right now we are off. Richard's done
a lot of
good. I know people criticize him for some of his behavior.
While I share those concerns I think that Richard has
helped to uncover a lot concerning NASA. I think he has
done a lot
of good work and he also has made some huge mistakes.
But that happens to everyone who climbs out on a limb
does. Whatever one wants to say about Richard he is courageous.
Perhaps a little foolhardy also. I think Richard is torn
between evidence that is real and evidence that is hoaxed.
That's the real concern here. There is really evidence
of three different things with NASA. One is a hoax, another
is hiding strange structures and, lastly, just pure sloppiness
on the part of NASA. Their history of how they treat
photographs and motion picture film from the Apollo program,
and even missions before that, is outrageous. I think
I can say that some of this sloppiness is intentional
part. The layer of sloppy record keeping and archival
loss is beyond the boundaries of what is appropriate.
while one can only come away with the feeling that the
sloppiness is part of an attempt to obfuscate the truth.
Network X: What about your associations with Terence
Jay Weidner: I wouldn't call myself a friend of Terence
but I am a supporter of some of the things that he says.
like Richard, has certain behavior problems that cause
him a lot of trouble. But again Terence is climbing way
the branch. Of course he's going to be perceived as eccentric.
He is eccentric! But Terence's work on psychedelic alchemy
is sound and persuasive. I think he is right about psychedelics.
They do have this ability to reveal the invisible landscape
that surrounds us. Terence is also correct in his analysis
of DMT molecules and their equation with those of certain
brain chemistries like seratonin and melatonin, which
are emitted from the pineal gland. Do I agree with everything
that Terence says? No absolutely not. I have taken DMT
it is incredibly interesting but also very dangerous.
DMT in the wrong hands could be a very scary thing. I
had Terence on the radio show about a hundred times.
The listeners loved him. The station manager hated him.
they hated Noam Chomsky, Jean Houston, Graham Hancock,
Peter Dale Scott, and all the rest of the people I interviewed.
Network X: Any plans for going back on the air?
Jay Weidner: No. I want to turn my attention towards
writing my book on alchemy and making films. Right now
the only things that interest me.
Network X: Thank you very much.
Jay Weidner: Thanks for having me.